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	<title>Comments on: Urban Boondocking in Venice, CA</title>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://nerdnomad.com/urban-boondocking-in-venice-ca/comment-page-1/#comment-706</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed completely. Venice is a weird case, and unlike any other city I&#039;ve visited. The fact that there are zero RV parks in Los Angeles (Dockweiler doesn&#039;t count, as it&#039;s incredibly expensive, in the wrong place, and only allows people to stay for 14 days) makes it particularly problematic. Nearly all cities I&#039;ve visited have a population of people that live permanently in RVs, but they&#039;re usually mostly tucked away in extended stay RV parks (that cost a few hundred per month, which puts them into reach of the folks who currently pay $9-$18/day to park in the beach lot in Venice). But, if you want to live in Los Angeles in an RV, you simply don&#039;t have that option.

It&#039;s actually really strange to visit Los Angeles and Venice because in most places, people are excited to see RVs. RVs mean big tourist dollars in most places, but the culture and lack of RV parks in LA/Venice guarantees that the rich RVers skip the city entirely, so all that remains are the folks with no money and ugly old rigs. It&#039;d be simple to solve the problem, I think, by letting extended stay RV parks exist outside of the normal hotel tax requirements. I&#039;ve noticed some cities do that, and I&#039;ve also noticed that LA has much higher than average occupancy taxes, so I think there&#039;s some unintended consequences happening there. But, real estate prices may also be a contributing factor, though San Diego has some great parks with fair prices in reasonably good locations within the city, and the real estate there isn&#039;t dramatically cheaper than LA, so I don&#039;t think that&#039;s a complete explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed completely. Venice is a weird case, and unlike any other city I&#8217;ve visited. The fact that there are zero RV parks in Los Angeles (Dockweiler doesn&#8217;t count, as it&#8217;s incredibly expensive, in the wrong place, and only allows people to stay for 14 days) makes it particularly problematic. Nearly all cities I&#8217;ve visited have a population of people that live permanently in RVs, but they&#8217;re usually mostly tucked away in extended stay RV parks (that cost a few hundred per month, which puts them into reach of the folks who currently pay $9-$18/day to park in the beach lot in Venice). But, if you want to live in Los Angeles in an RV, you simply don&#8217;t have that option.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s actually really strange to visit Los Angeles and Venice because in most places, people are excited to see RVs. RVs mean big tourist dollars in most places, but the culture and lack of RV parks in LA/Venice guarantees that the rich RVers skip the city entirely, so all that remains are the folks with no money and ugly old rigs. It&#8217;d be simple to solve the problem, I think, by letting extended stay RV parks exist outside of the normal hotel tax requirements. I&#8217;ve noticed some cities do that, and I&#8217;ve also noticed that LA has much higher than average occupancy taxes, so I think there&#8217;s some unintended consequences happening there. But, real estate prices may also be a contributing factor, though San Diego has some great parks with fair prices in reasonably good locations within the city, and the real estate there isn&#8217;t dramatically cheaper than LA, so I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s a complete explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 09:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been visiting Venice now for a little over a week, in my 21 foot &#039;86 Toyota motorhome..  Mixed opinions on this place, but overall nice. Never hassled by the cops but definitely have felt the wrath of some of the residents, who are, understandably, fed up with the swarm of ugly old motorhomes, that really are impossible to ignore.  I drove by one high school football field that had only RVs parked from one end of the block to the other - not soccer moms, but beat up old eyesores that the citizens probably shouldn&#039;t have to endure the sight of.  My restored old Toyota&#039;s not the prettiest thing on the road, but these were dilapidated shacks that hardly looked operational.  I would have liked to respond to the &quot;get the fuck out of town&quot; jeers with &quot; I&#039;m not a homeless squatter, just travelling through&quot;, but I don&#039;t think it would have mattered anyway..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been visiting Venice now for a little over a week, in my 21 foot &#8216;86 Toyota motorhome..  Mixed opinions on this place, but overall nice. Never hassled by the cops but definitely have felt the wrath of some of the residents, who are, understandably, fed up with the swarm of ugly old motorhomes, that really are impossible to ignore.  I drove by one high school football field that had only RVs parked from one end of the block to the other &#8211; not soccer moms, but beat up old eyesores that the citizens probably shouldn&#8217;t have to endure the sight of.  My restored old Toyota&#8217;s not the prettiest thing on the road, but these were dilapidated shacks that hardly looked operational.  I would have liked to respond to the &#8220;get the fuck out of town&#8221; jeers with &#8221; I&#8217;m not a homeless squatter, just travelling through&#8221;, but I don&#8217;t think it would have mattered anyway..</p>
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		<title>By: Shadow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shadow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 09:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in my RV in Venice and I love it. Many of the RVers that I know make every effort to obey laws and are genuinely good people. There are, however, some bad apples ruining it for the rest of us.

You mentioned in the article that you spoke to Kenn. He was the guy with long blond hair and a beard. Lived with his wife in a little Dodge Rally. I heard he was killed recently. Venice is nice, but if you stay here long enough you&#039;ll discover it has an ugly underbelly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in my RV in Venice and I love it. Many of the RVers that I know make every effort to obey laws and are genuinely good people. There are, however, some bad apples ruining it for the rest of us.</p>
<p>You mentioned in the article that you spoke to Kenn. He was the guy with long blond hair and a beard. Lived with his wife in a little Dodge Rally. I heard he was killed recently. Venice is nice, but if you stay here long enough you&#8217;ll discover it has an ugly underbelly.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Fever</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Fever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many sides to the Venice story of RV and street dwellers.  Whatever group M@x may represent, resolving inevitable polarization and avoiding oversimple answers are the greatest challenges.  

Some communities (notably, Laguna Beach and Santa Barbara, CA; Eugene, OR) are addressing these issues head-on.  Venice is trying to figure it out, with L.A. in tow.  Our current times call for equal doses of patience, persistence and positive focus on common goals.  I&#039;m grateful for blogs such as this, as they shine the light from an angle we might otherwise miss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many sides to the Venice story of RV and street dwellers.  Whatever group M@x may represent, resolving inevitable polarization and avoiding oversimple answers are the greatest challenges.  </p>
<p>Some communities (notably, Laguna Beach and Santa Barbara, CA; Eugene, OR) are addressing these issues head-on.  Venice is trying to figure it out, with L.A. in tow.  Our current times call for equal doses of patience, persistence and positive focus on common goals.  I&#8217;m grateful for blogs such as this, as they shine the light from an angle we might otherwise miss.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean McAdams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean McAdams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The City of Los Angeles cannot afford to pay the police department detectives to investigate murders due to the recession.  Yet m@x above delusionally believes that the state can afford to change laws and prosecute people for living in vehicles that were sold as vehicles to be lived in?  Good luck m@x.  And when will the cops enforce these new laws?  In between non-investigation of the murders of 17 year old girls by convicted felons on parole? 

We need to get our priorities straight here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City of Los Angeles cannot afford to pay the police department detectives to investigate murders due to the recession.  Yet m@x above delusionally believes that the state can afford to change laws and prosecute people for living in vehicles that were sold as vehicles to be lived in?  Good luck m@x.  And when will the cops enforce these new laws?  In between non-investigation of the murders of 17 year old girls by convicted felons on parole? </p>
<p>We need to get our priorities straight here.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Apr 2010 04:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M@X,

I don&#039;t understand. I do pay taxes. I pay California income tax, federal income tax, and I paid several thousand dollars in state sales tax on my RV, plus more than $500 in registration fees and tags. When I was staying in the Los Angeles area, I was paying sales tax on all of the goods I purchased, and I paid several hundred dollars to city and state parks for parking (Venice Beach city beach park, Dockweiler State Beach, Huntingon Beach, etc.). Every time I fill my tank, I&#039;m paying a significant portion in taxes. I&#039;m not in a particularly high tax bracket at the moment, since my startup is still getting ramped up and so I don&#039;t make a huge amount of money, but I definitely pay taxes on all of it.

What, specifically, do you have a problem with about my post? What do you believe I&#039;ve suggested that would bother you, as a (presumed) resident of Venice? Have you actually read it, or did you just read the title and look at the picture and think you already know what it was going to say?

Also, I will point out that the RVers I met seemed more true to the historic culture of Venice than the more gentrified folks I met living in the fancy new condos and townhomes. It seems to me that if you want to live that sort of lifestyle, you should live in a place where that lifestyle is the culture of the place. There are many such places all around Los Angeles. Santa Barbara, Long Beach, and others had very few hippies and RVers and very little drug culture, etc. Those folks aren&#039;t there to spite you, they&#039;re there because it&#039;s their kind of place. If you have a problem with the culture of Venice, maybe you&#039;re in the wrong place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M@X,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand. I do pay taxes. I pay California income tax, federal income tax, and I paid several thousand dollars in state sales tax on my RV, plus more than $500 in registration fees and tags. When I was staying in the Los Angeles area, I was paying sales tax on all of the goods I purchased, and I paid several hundred dollars to city and state parks for parking (Venice Beach city beach park, Dockweiler State Beach, Huntingon Beach, etc.). Every time I fill my tank, I&#8217;m paying a significant portion in taxes. I&#8217;m not in a particularly high tax bracket at the moment, since my startup is still getting ramped up and so I don&#8217;t make a huge amount of money, but I definitely pay taxes on all of it.</p>
<p>What, specifically, do you have a problem with about my post? What do you believe I&#8217;ve suggested that would bother you, as a (presumed) resident of Venice? Have you actually read it, or did you just read the title and look at the picture and think you already know what it was going to say?</p>
<p>Also, I will point out that the RVers I met seemed more true to the historic culture of Venice than the more gentrified folks I met living in the fancy new condos and townhomes. It seems to me that if you want to live that sort of lifestyle, you should live in a place where that lifestyle is the culture of the place. There are many such places all around Los Angeles. Santa Barbara, Long Beach, and others had very few hippies and RVers and very little drug culture, etc. Those folks aren&#8217;t there to spite you, they&#8217;re there because it&#8217;s their kind of place. If you have a problem with the culture of Venice, maybe you&#8217;re in the wrong place.</p>
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		<title>By: M@X</title>
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		<dc:creator>M@X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 16:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either pay taxes or take your RV out of Venice. Period.

Soon the laws will be changed and enforced, rendering this blog post useless. Thank god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either pay taxes or take your RV out of Venice. Period.</p>
<p>Soon the laws will be changed and enforced, rendering this blog post useless. Thank god.</p>
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